Jordan Peterson sits down with author, speaker, and Bishop of the Dioceses of Winona-Rochester, Robert Barron. They discuss the use of new technologies to interpret and explore religion, the fallacy of self-deification, the spiritual blocks to the flow of grace, and how to stop servicing power and become an orchestrator of peace and love.

Bishop Barron is a #1 Amazon bestselling author and has published numerous books, essays, and articles on theology and the spiritual life. He was a religion correspondent for NBC and has also appeared on FOX News, CNN, and EWTN. Bishop Barron’s website, WordOnFire.org, reaches millions of people each year, and he is one of the world’s most followed Catholics on social media. His YouTube videos have been viewed over 131 million times, and he has over 3 million followers on Facebook.

This episode was recorded on January 23rd, 2024

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(0:00) Tour Info 2024
(0:40) Coming up
(1:15) Intro
(3:06) The implications of AI for the realm of theology and objective meaning
(12:21) AI might lead to the end of postmodernism
(14:00) God as he has been conceptualized then and now, divine proximity
(17:20) Approaching the sacred with humility and love
(24:43) Adam, Eve, and the serpent’s offer
(28:25) Why the garden became the desert
(33:31) Which spirit animates you? The false self gives way to the true self
(39:01) Connecting Job to Jesus
(46:40) Bad theology and how to break through human pride for proper worship
(55:40) The spirit of play, the invitation to bear the cross, and the purpose of Mass
(1:03:11) The power of the mustard seed, the inexhaustible potential of grace
(1:12:39) How wealth is portrayed in the Gospels, setting up your life to be in accordance with your soul
(1:14:39) John Paul II, the true message of the Unjust Steward
(1:18:33) The Binding of Isaac — and why the Bible doesn’t hold back
(1:20:11) What a mother has to sacrifice
(1:23:29) The biological justification for the biblical spirit of reciprocity
(1:34:52) How science presupposes faith, the potential end of the New Atheist movement



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