The Complex Sneakers Podcast is co-hosted by Joe La Puma, Brendan Dunne, and Matt Welty. This week they're joined by Lukas Bentel, a chief creative officer at the Brooklyn art collective MSCHF. Bentel brings with him the recently released Wavy Baby sneaker, a Vans-lookalike model that is the latest MSCHF creation to earn a trademark infringement lawsuit. He defends the shoe, discusses the controversy over the Lil Nas X Satan Shoe that Nike sued over, and explains why he feels confident about his company's legal issues. Also, Brendan and Welty leave Joe out of another PG dinner.

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EPISODE CHAPTERS / TIMESTAMPS:
0:00 - Start of episode
5:00 - Weekend recaps
15:00 - Sneaker giveaway of the week
20:00 - Guys talk sneakers they wore over the holiday weekend
25:00 - Lukas Bentel joins the show
35:00 - Lukas discusses Lil Nas X collab with MSCHF
40:00 - Lukas talks releasing his sneaker on Holy Week
45:00 - Lukas talks his love for sneakers
55:00 - MSCHF responds to Vans lawsuit
1:05:00 - Deep talk around new MSCHF release
1:11:00 - End of episode

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