In Part 2 of her Nightcap conversation at the 5th BizNews Conference at Champagne Sports Resort, Democratic Alliance chair Helen Zille shares some Second Level thinking on various topics. Starting with why the Patriotic Alliance demanded Joburg's Economic Development portfolio (and why the DA refused), the real reason why the ANC top brass let Eskom CEO André de Ruyter get hung out to dry, and more riveting insights from this veteran of SA politics as she freewheels on a range of topics. She spoke to Alec Hogg of BizNews.

TIMESTAMPS.

00:00 Helen Zille on André De Ruyter's disclosure of suspected criminal activity at Eskom to Pravin Gordhan
02:29 On how patient South Africans have to be to see change
05:31 On the inadequacy of the SAPS and how this can be addressed
07:18 Whether the DA's relationship with Herman Mashaba and Gayton McKenzie can be repaired
08:14 On economic affairs in Johannesburg
14:57 On non-racialism
20:37 On why she returned to politics
22:26 On TW Johnson's claim that the DA and ANC will never form a coalition as Putin pulls the strings
25:07 The influence of Russia in South Africa
27:12 On Mashaba and McKenzie's refusal for ActionSA and the Patriotic Alliance, respectively, to form a coalition with the DA unless she goes