Dr. Jordan B. Peterson speaks with best-selling author, commentator, rapper, and co-founder of The Daily Wire, Ben Shapiro. They discuss the postmodern twisting of religious conceptions, the proclivity for hedonism to propagate at the edges of shared ideals, the danger of a society which has no shared ideals, the necessity of deprivation, and the case for a transcendent narrative in regards to long-term societal benefits.

Ben Shapiro is the co-founder and Editor Emeritus of The Daily Wire and host of “The Ben Shapiro Show,” the largest conservative podcast in the nation. In addition, he also hosts “Debunked,” “The Search,” and “The Sunday Special.”

This episode was recorded on January 11th, 2024

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(0:00) 2024 Tour
(0:39) Coming up
(1:09) Intro
(2:55) The Enlightenment was wrong, prioritizing narrative values
(7:13) Conditional probability in AI, mapping frameworks of meaning
(11:20) The prioritization of the victim/victimizer dynamic as the cardinal story of mankind
(18:40) The unjust steward, there is utility in serving mammon properly
(22:22) Christianity is not in direct conflict with capitalism
(27:18) The explanatory narratives that rise with the demented state
(33:24) Hedonic drives are primordial short-term determinations
(37:18) Our proclivity to violate taboos, and what happens when we have none left
(39:19) We experience reward only in relation to an aim
(40:46) Surfeit, scarcity, novelty, and deprivation
(47:00) The commonalities of stories amalgamate into archetypes
(50:24) The storyteller matters as much as the story
(52:11) You cannot reduce the transcendent to the subjective
(58:11) The use of religion to manipulate, taking Gods name in vain
(1:02:12) Without reverence for tradition, we become slaves to the margins
(1:09:31) Hardship creates strong people, padding creates weak people
(1:13:21) We all start out helpless, but we are not all victims
(1:15:13) We have marginalized the role of the elderly in our society
(1:18:44) Voluntary responsibility equals meaning
(1:20:53) When to tolerate and reprimand a child
(1:25:50) We have a growing need for intergenerational dialogue
(1:27:40) Cultural crisis and political disillusionment
(1:29:51) People are longing for a return to first principles
(1:32:38) When we can’t agree on sexual identification, all commonality is gone
(1:35:11) Getting back to the campfire
(1:37:54) Ackman vs. Gay, The stability of the West
(1:41:46) The rebuilding process is not hopeless
(1:44:36) Your true legacy is your children

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