Zen Luminary Joan Sutherland Roshi talks with Jon Joseph about her new book Through Forest of Every Color - on her work with koans since leaving teaching. Joan talks about her breakout work with John Tarrant and others, following the teaching of the koans out of the box of dokusan into the new western practice in groups. Joan also mentions her innovative work with koans and improv and artists of various traditions. A rich and lively hour long conversation with questions and insights from Jon Jospeh, John Tarrant and Allison Atwill. Recorded Sept. 26, 2022